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		<title>By: Seth Putnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Putnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of the students in Katherine and Jake&#039;s class, and I recently blogged about Twitter, so I thought I&#039;d throw in my two cents after following this discussion for a number of days.

I just took a look at my very first Twitter update, and unfortunately I did use the word &quot;forced,&quot; which I regret now because I think it was out of line. (@sethjputnam: &quot;I was forced to join Twitter for class, and I&#039;m not happy about it.&quot;)

I shouldn&#039;t have said that we were forced--there are no grades depending on our Twitter use as of yet. Assigned to join probably would have been the right thing to say. And as far as actual &quot;forced tweets&quot; are concerned, I don&#039;t know where people got that idea.

Let me first apologize for the negative backlash exhibited by myself and others. I know that you guys are conscientiously exploring the uses of social media, and you&#039;re investing so much in trying to figure out how to help journalism and its students.

Sure, some of us are skeptical, but the fact that we&#039;re here says that we&#039;re willing to challenge our cynicism. I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;ve surprisingly found twitter useful as conversation starter, especially about itself. But there are some things that concern me, too.

For me the initial resistance comes from the personal uses of Twitter. Is it important or helpful for people to know that I&#039;m hungry right now? Or that I just woke up? Or that I&#039;m debating between the Asics or the Puma shoes? When I first heard about Twitter (outside the J-school) it was in the context of using it to inform all of your friends (and/or strangers) what you&#039;re doing as you&#039;re doing it. For extended, detailed personal use, I&#039;m having a hard time seeing it as more useful than it is unhelpful because I think that people could be doing something a little more productive with their time.

BUT, from the short time that I&#039;ve been a Twitter user, I can see that it definitely can be helpful in terms of identifying trends, coming up with story ideas, and creating conversations with our audience. So I guess you could say that my initial perceptions have been challenged. I very much agree agree with what Rob is saying--in the end we need to be concerned with what helps us tell the story. I think that&#039;s what the whole sequence of convergence relies upon.

So if Twitter is another way of doing that, let&#039;s check it out. I&#039;m willing to have an open mind and to learn. But there are still some things that concern me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the students in Katherine and Jake&#8217;s class, and I recently blogged about Twitter, so I thought I&#8217;d throw in my two cents after following this discussion for a number of days.</p>
<p>I just took a look at my very first Twitter update, and unfortunately I did use the word &#8220;forced,&#8221; which I regret now because I think it was out of line. (@sethjputnam: &#8220;I was forced to join Twitter for class, and I&#8217;m not happy about it.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have said that we were forced&#8211;there are no grades depending on our Twitter use as of yet. Assigned to join probably would have been the right thing to say. And as far as actual &#8220;forced tweets&#8221; are concerned, I don&#8217;t know where people got that idea.</p>
<p>Let me first apologize for the negative backlash exhibited by myself and others. I know that you guys are conscientiously exploring the uses of social media, and you&#8217;re investing so much in trying to figure out how to help journalism and its students.</p>
<p>Sure, some of us are skeptical, but the fact that we&#8217;re here says that we&#8217;re willing to challenge our cynicism. I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;ve surprisingly found twitter useful as conversation starter, especially about itself. But there are some things that concern me, too.</p>
<p>For me the initial resistance comes from the personal uses of Twitter. Is it important or helpful for people to know that I&#8217;m hungry right now? Or that I just woke up? Or that I&#8217;m debating between the Asics or the Puma shoes? When I first heard about Twitter (outside the J-school) it was in the context of using it to inform all of your friends (and/or strangers) what you&#8217;re doing as you&#8217;re doing it. For extended, detailed personal use, I&#8217;m having a hard time seeing it as more useful than it is unhelpful because I think that people could be doing something a little more productive with their time.</p>
<p>BUT, from the short time that I&#8217;ve been a Twitter user, I can see that it definitely can be helpful in terms of identifying trends, coming up with story ideas, and creating conversations with our audience. So I guess you could say that my initial perceptions have been challenged. I very much agree agree with what Rob is saying&#8211;in the end we need to be concerned with what helps us tell the story. I think that&#8217;s what the whole sequence of convergence relies upon.</p>
<p>So if Twitter is another way of doing that, let&#8217;s check it out. I&#8217;m willing to have an open mind and to learn. But there are still some things that concern me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brianne, my intention wasn&#039;t to say that Twitter and Word are analagous. 

The point I was trying to make (perhaps not clearly) is that all too often we confuse knowledge of technology with proper use of technology. 

I can&#039;t tell you how many faculty meetings I&#039;ve been in when we argue over teaching students this program or that program, when in the end we need to teach them the &lt;b&gt;journalism&lt;/b&gt; and not worry so much about the exact tool. 

Perhaps a more precise analogy is InDesign/Quark. If you teach someone the principles of design, the end tool doesn&#039;t matter. Sure there are some things that are easier to do on one program than another, but you get the same printed page with either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brianne, my intention wasn&#8217;t to say that Twitter and Word are analagous. </p>
<p>The point I was trying to make (perhaps not clearly) is that all too often we confuse knowledge of technology with proper use of technology. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many faculty meetings I&#8217;ve been in when we argue over teaching students this program or that program, when in the end we need to teach them the <b>journalism</b> and not worry so much about the exact tool. </p>
<p>Perhaps a more precise analogy is InDesign/Quark. If you teach someone the principles of design, the end tool doesn&#8217;t matter. Sure there are some things that are easier to do on one program than another, but you get the same printed page with either.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Fonte Sherwood</title>
		<link>http://www.jenleereeves.com/2009/02/forced-twitter-use/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Fonte Sherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jeremy&#039;s right on with the notion that Twitter is a classroom in itself. I&#039;ve tried to explain it to friends and fellow journalists who continue to claim they &quot;just don&#039;t get it,&quot; and my conclusion is always &quot;you just need to try it and see for yourself!&quot; I honestly had no idea what Twitter was before I signed up. I learned from the people I started following.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to force people in the &quot;real world&quot; to join Twitter. When they see how much newsroom leaders (and I&#039;m not just talking editors) benefit from the tool they are intrigued and want to be in on the action. That&#039;s how it is in my newsroom. Those who have really embraced Twitter are leading by example and new Tweeters pick it up by following them.

I can see the reason for forcing students to join Twitter - but in my newsroom experience there is no need to force. Almost everyone is hungry to try it out. They want to be the best journalists they can be and they know social media is part of that.

It actually kind of boggles my mind that college students growing up in the Facebook era are more resistant to it than 45-year-old ink-and-paper veterans. Is my generation becoming burnt out on social media??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeremy&#8217;s right on with the notion that Twitter is a classroom in itself. I&#8217;ve tried to explain it to friends and fellow journalists who continue to claim they &#8220;just don&#8217;t get it,&#8221; and my conclusion is always &#8220;you just need to try it and see for yourself!&#8221; I honestly had no idea what Twitter was before I signed up. I learned from the people I started following.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to force people in the &#8220;real world&#8221; to join Twitter. When they see how much newsroom leaders (and I&#8217;m not just talking editors) benefit from the tool they are intrigued and want to be in on the action. That&#8217;s how it is in my newsroom. Those who have really embraced Twitter are leading by example and new Tweeters pick it up by following them.</p>
<p>I can see the reason for forcing students to join Twitter &#8211; but in my newsroom experience there is no need to force. Almost everyone is hungry to try it out. They want to be the best journalists they can be and they know social media is part of that.</p>
<p>It actually kind of boggles my mind that college students growing up in the Facebook era are more resistant to it than 45-year-old ink-and-paper veterans. Is my generation becoming burnt out on social media??</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Reeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Cole, I&#039;ve spent the last 24 hours mulling over the &quot;forcing&quot; concept. I&#039;ve been worried about it after seeing really poor choices on Twitter... But then it seems like hard-headed people may need that extra push to really see how helpful this tool and many other tools can be. It&#039;s helpful for higher ed, it&#039;s helpful for journalism, it&#039;s helpful for PR and all other careers that involve communication. It was kind of cool to see how New York Times&#039; David Pogue wrote today how it took a while for him to buy into Twitter:  http://tinyurl.com/aw5vhl

My main hesitation: professional journalists shouldn&#039;t be forced to professionally tweet without taking the time to learn the tool. If you don&#039;t understand the community tone of Twitter before you live tweet, you can quickly lose credibility. I guess I keep dwelling on the funeral tweeting situation. That was devastating for journalism. I&#039;d hate to see that happen again.

Classes in the Missouri School of Journalism should consider &quot;forcing&quot; students to use twitter... but the students should be mindful that every word they write is connected to their name. Building a twitter identity before working in a newsroom is a much better process than feeling &quot;forced&quot; while working in the newsroom. The journalism school should think about bringing in a Twitter/Social Media identity building process much earlier in the curriculum. I think I have a better idea on how I&#039;m going present the topic of eportfolios with freshman in April.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Cole, I&#8217;ve spent the last 24 hours mulling over the &#8220;forcing&#8221; concept. I&#8217;ve been worried about it after seeing really poor choices on Twitter&#8230; But then it seems like hard-headed people may need that extra push to really see how helpful this tool and many other tools can be. It&#8217;s helpful for higher ed, it&#8217;s helpful for journalism, it&#8217;s helpful for PR and all other careers that involve communication. It was kind of cool to see how New York Times&#8217; David Pogue wrote today how it took a while for him to buy into Twitter:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/aw5vhl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/aw5vhl</a></p>
<p>My main hesitation: professional journalists shouldn&#8217;t be forced to professionally tweet without taking the time to learn the tool. If you don&#8217;t understand the community tone of Twitter before you live tweet, you can quickly lose credibility. I guess I keep dwelling on the funeral tweeting situation. That was devastating for journalism. I&#8217;d hate to see that happen again.</p>
<p>Classes in the Missouri School of Journalism should consider &#8220;forcing&#8221; students to use twitter&#8230; but the students should be mindful that every word they write is connected to their name. Building a twitter identity before working in a newsroom is a much better process than feeling &#8220;forced&#8221; while working in the newsroom. The journalism school should think about bringing in a Twitter/Social Media identity building process much earlier in the curriculum. I think I have a better idea on how I&#8217;m going present the topic of eportfolios with freshman in April.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfing in a Thunderstorm — Column 5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfing in a Thunderstorm — Column 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] newsrooms should be investing in their futures and relearning good journalism; rather than recklessly Twittering in an attempt to stay hip, reporters should remain focused on providing excellent journalism to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] newsrooms should be investing in their futures and relearning good journalism; rather than recklessly Twittering in an attempt to stay hip, reporters should remain focused on providing excellent journalism to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jenn ... the notion of forcing students into these environments is intriguing to me on a lot of levels.  In the class I&#039;ve taught most recently I had about 20 doctoral students ... none of them had used or heard of Twitter when they came in.  For the first couple of weeks they all disliked the tool.  Then something interesting happened -- community.  After a few weeks nearly all of them latched onto Twitter in ways I haven&#039;t seen students do before.  My point is that forcing them in at the start may be what needs to happen -- working to make it meaningful is what takes it to the next level.  I imagine in the landscape you teach in students are willing to participate, but forcing them may be part of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenn &#8230; the notion of forcing students into these environments is intriguing to me on a lot of levels.  In the class I&#8217;ve taught most recently I had about 20 doctoral students &#8230; none of them had used or heard of Twitter when they came in.  For the first couple of weeks they all disliked the tool.  Then something interesting happened &#8212; community.  After a few weeks nearly all of them latched onto Twitter in ways I haven&#8217;t seen students do before.  My point is that forcing them in at the start may be what needs to happen &#8212; working to make it meaningful is what takes it to the next level.  I imagine in the landscape you teach in students are willing to participate, but forcing them may be part of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brianne Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianne Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, 

I don&#039;t really think likening Twitter to Word is the right analogy. Although I see your point that they&#039;re both just tools. I think the J-school needs to integrate new tools for journalists into the coursework, while maintaining classes on ethics, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think likening Twitter to Word is the right analogy. Although I see your point that they&#8217;re both just tools. I think the J-school needs to integrate new tools for journalists into the coursework, while maintaining classes on ethics, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess where I come down on this is that it reminds me of forcing students to read the newspaper. I can see Jake&#039;s points -- I also don&#039;t think our students will survive if they don&#039;t embrace new tech. We used to force them to read the print paper, and some wouldn&#039;t. Those folks aren&#039;t going to succeed anyhow, no matter what we try to do to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess where I come down on this is that it reminds me of forcing students to read the newspaper. I can see Jake&#8217;s points &#8212; I also don&#8217;t think our students will survive if they don&#8217;t embrace new tech. We used to force them to read the print paper, and some wouldn&#8217;t. Those folks aren&#8217;t going to succeed anyhow, no matter what we try to do to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems most of the students here are interested in learning, maybe just not interested in learning Twitter?

Or, the typical quote: &quot;I didn&#039;t come here to learn THAT.&quot; I get that all the time. I&#039;m finding the students here more and more are coming with an agenda of what they want to learn based on what they think journalism is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems most of the students here are interested in learning, maybe just not interested in learning Twitter?</p>
<p>Or, the typical quote: &#8220;I didn&#8217;t come here to learn THAT.&#8221; I get that all the time. I&#8217;m finding the students here more and more are coming with an agenda of what they want to learn based on what they think journalism is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Reeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know.... I think what really got me was the tone of some of the young jurno tweets. They were complaining and clearly not interested in learning. It sucks that we have to force students to use tools that will enhance the journalistic process. But this same attitude is happening in pro newsrooms all over the place. Similar attitudes but a salary that requires them to actually use Twitter or whatever hip tool without acquiring enough skill to use it. At least our students have a chance to tinker without management breathing down their neck... If they take this opportunity seriously. Man. I&#039;m clearly on a rant today. Sorry about that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;. I think what really got me was the tone of some of the young jurno tweets. They were complaining and clearly not interested in learning. It sucks that we have to force students to use tools that will enhance the journalistic process. But this same attitude is happening in pro newsrooms all over the place. Similar attitudes but a salary that requires them to actually use Twitter or whatever hip tool without acquiring enough skill to use it. At least our students have a chance to tinker without management breathing down their neck&#8230; If they take this opportunity seriously. Man. I&#8217;m clearly on a rant today. Sorry about that!</p>
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